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Joe_Omerta Total posts: 867 Joe Ventresca2000 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Location: Blasdell Age: 38 |
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: LQ4 tuning... |
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When i put my LQ4 maf on along w/ my TB, should i drive nicely for 50 miles to let the PCM relearn everything or should i start tuning right away w/ my afc? (installed w/ battery unplugged for reset, also no powertuner for LQ4 MAF tables) _________________ 2004 Yukon XL Trying to keep stock
2000 gtp Custom I/C, TOGs, Custom PCM, 3.25'', HAI, VS cam Retired |
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Short answer, yes, let the computer learn for a little bit and then start making adjustments.
However, if you want to make some educated adjustments before hand, it might save you a reset/learn/tune cycle. By that I mean making slight adjustments blending higher MAF frequency settings into the lower frequency settings..since 0....11500Hz on your stock MAF is now scaled down to 0....{some number < 11500Hz}. So your current settings will be compressed/shifted toward 0Hz to work with the new MAF.
Oh yeah..disclaimer:
<---never used an AFC
...so maybe it's easier to just run it for a while first... _________________ 2018 Acadia
Retired: 2014 ATS, 2004 GTP |
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Joe_Omerta Total posts: 867 Joe Ventresca2000 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Location: Blasdell Age: 38 |
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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should i revert the afc back to 100% or should i keep my current tune in there? (4-7@97 8@102 9-11@103) |
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studderin Total posts: 6272
John Csotello1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: 2nd gear burnouts Age: 42 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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why are you running that maf? you don't need it , its stupid _________________ New Era performance
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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Please, do elaborate, John. |
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studderin Total posts: 6272
John Csotello1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: 2nd gear burnouts Age: 42 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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~ 9'' K&N CAI, TBS, NGK TR6, MSD 8.5mm, afc 2.0, 3.4'' pulley, u-bend/res delete, 180* t-stat ~
Coming soon: VS cam, 3'' D/p , and what used to be a zzp stage 1 tb Twisted Evil |
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Joe_Omerta Total posts: 867 Joe Ventresca2000 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Location: Blasdell Age: 38 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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i opened up a stage 1 TB fully and sealed the stock MAF hole so now it's a straight through shot. This MAF is the same Diameter as the Fully opened TB so it's a perfect combination flow wise. The stock MAF sensor only reads what flows through it which remains the same size no matter how large the TB is, therefore making it inaccurate. |
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KC2GIW Total posts: 5563
Matt Antonio1998 Grand Prix GTX Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: SYR/ROC Age: 25 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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the maf only reads the speed of the air as it whips by the sensor. Now yes, it's calibrated for a certain size opening..but you can open up the TB and scale the MAF (my not too much) to make it 'accurate' or you can fart around trying to scale the LQ4 MAF (which will be much more difficult) as well, and get hopefully similar results....
Either way you do it, you're not going to be close to maxing out a stock MAF...low 12 second blow thru setups is where stock maf maxes out... _________________ Hi, I'm Matt. I'm the resident smartass and I have fourblack children: (ok, one's only half black..)
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Possible answers:
1) Here's my log showing me getting close to the peak of the stock MAF sensor (11500Hz).
2) It seemed like a good idea at the time.
3) Everyone else was doing it.
4) Scott Cook said I needed to.
5) I had money to burn.
6) I wanted to learn something.
7) A bag of walnuts. |
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KC2GIW Total posts: 5563
Matt Antonio1998 Grand Prix GTX Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: SYR/ROC Age: 25 |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, do what you want....
Just stating why it doesn't need to be done |
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Greystar Total posts: 1313
Pat2002 Other Car Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Location: NC Age: 94 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:09 am Post subject: |
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DO NOT trust the stock computer to relearn properly for a different MAF. You will regret it. Tune the thing properly and you'll get better results all around. |
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seen96 Total posts: 2033
Drag Radials Suck on FWD.1997 Grand Prix GT Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: elbows deep in 4t65e Age: 46 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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wanna sell it then? _________________ ZZP stuff...
Heads (started as ZZP stg.3 with some improvements)
Cam (XPZ with a slightly different components for valve movment)
IC (Ford Cobra coolant resv., frt exchr the size of a engine rad. weight consum. rear expans. tank)
"Certified Auto Trans Shop" Transmission sold by ZZP...I have no comment for this peice of...great trans.
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SLP Headers <--FOR SALE
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Greystar wrote: | DO NOT trust the stock computer to relearn properly for a different MAF. You will regret it. Tune the thing properly and you'll get better results all around. |
He has an AFC 2.0--did you miss that, or are you saying it won't be sufficient? or did I miss something... |
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Greystar Total posts: 1313
Pat2002 Other Car Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Location: NC Age: 94 |
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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redross17 wrote: | He has an AFC 2.0--did you miss that, or are you saying it won't be sufficient? or did I miss something... |
No, I didn't miss it. It will "work", but it's not the proper way to do things. |
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firecatsrt Total posts: 398
mike1997 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Location: baldwinsville, ny Age: 44 |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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ok, you guys got me wondering... dmc is getting a northstar with LQ4 maf and wants me to load some tables for him. which is better, the table on zzp's site or this one on 3800pro???
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/pcms-tuning/3272-maf-table-repository.html _________________ 97 gtp, 3.4 and supporting mods
71 gto 460 hp 383 stroker, muncie 4spd, 4 wheel disc brake conversion... work in progress |
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