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Dave P.2004 Regal GS Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Location: Omaha, NE (was Rome, NY long ago) Age: 41 |
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| duane9586 wrote: | | the pt was not for my car and i can't find anyone around here that has a tuner. What do you guys think is the best tuner for a beginner. or should i just go with overkill? |
The PT is for "every" GM V6 car... just takes some finesse to make it work on non-basic ones (and sometimes even with normal ones).  The HPT would be the only "directly capable" one, but it costs more & has access to only 2 vehicles & $100 to add each extra.
For a beginner, no tuner will really be worth your time/money, since you won't know the 30-40 items you should change (most are a bit less critical in non-boosted cars, but still).
Either get the Overkill, or for a less in-depth change get one from ZZP/WBS/etc., but those guys are more buyer-beware for those types of items.
- Dave
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Duane Davis2005 Grand Prix SE Joined: 18 May 2008 Location: new york Age: 50 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| dezldave961 wrote: | | duane9586 wrote: | | the pt was not for my car and i can't find anyone around here that has a tuner. What do you guys think is the best tuner for a beginner. or should i just go with overkill? |
The PT is for "every" GM V6 car... just takes some finesse to make it work on non-basic ones (and sometimes even with normal ones). The HPT would be the only "directly capable" one, but it costs more & has access to only 2 vehicles & $100 to add each extra.
For a beginner, no tuner will really be worth your time/money, since you won't know the 30-40 items you should change (most are a bit less critical in non-boosted cars, but still).
Either get the Overkill, or for a less in-depth change get one from ZZP/WBS/etc., but those guys are more buyer-beware for those types of items.
- Dave |
thanks for the input, i'll check out those pcm's |
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Jerry Jackson2006 Grand Prix GT Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Location: Bloomfield/Rochester, NY Age: 63 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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HPtuner is the only one available right now. $650 for the pro version and that's pretty much all you need.
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| studderin Total posts: 6272
John Csotello1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: 2nd gear burnouts Age: 42 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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$650 for a 50% fuck you shit up rate.
you guys acuttly thong about buying a tuner to learn how to use it on your car?
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Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| studderin wrote: | $650 for a 50% fuck you shit up rate.
you guys acuttly thong about buying a tuner to learn how to use it on your car? |
True. It's ideal to learn how to use it on other people's cars first. 
If you don't have the time and desire to make small changes over a long period of time, you, your car and your wallet may be better off buying something off the shelf, or paying someone who does tuning professionally.
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| dezldave961 Total posts: 808
Dave P.2004 Regal GS Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Location: Omaha, NE (was Rome, NY long ago) Age: 41 |
| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I expect to spend at least a full weekend tuning the Riviera swap that's almost finished here (and that's only got a 3.8 pulley setup with a mild cam and stock everything else right now)... if that gives you an idea of how much time actual "tuning" takes. I can take 30min and slap a generic DHP v1.5 file on anyone's car, but the results aren't typically instant, and need additional car-specific changes afterwards based on the variations in setups/etc.
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| Greystar Total posts: 1313
Pat2002 Other Car Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Location: NC Age: 94 |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| studderin wrote: | $650 for a 50% fuck you shit up rate.
you guys acuttly thong about buying a tuner to learn how to use it on your car? |
Why not? It's not that difficult. If you're patient enough to take the time to read up on what you need to do.
I had my HP tuners about a month before I even plugged it into my Formula, and that was just to remove skip shift. Then when I got my headers a few months after that, I took it to the track and went form a 13.1 @ 109 at the beginning of the night to a 12.7 @ 113 by the end of the night.
Is the tune perfect? Hell no. Could more be gotten out of the car? Probably. I made small changes and got to a place where I was satisfied and it's run fine since.
The only issue I had was with O2's dying because of the stock part throttle tune being so rich and fouling them. A little more reading and that was solved too.
The irony is that after all that, I've gone back to a stock tune with some tweaks, because right now I need better fuel economy, not power.  |
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Matt Antonio1998 Grand Prix GTX Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Location: SYR/ROC Age: 25 |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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$650 for a "satisfactory" tune that "could be better" with the risk of blowing your shit up
OR
$300 for a dyno tune that you know is done right by a professional with dyno numbers so you know exactly what your car is making.
Only drawback is you cant fuck with it after...which, in my mind, is better--because if it ain't broke, you probably shouldn't try to fix it.
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John Csotello1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: 2nd gear burnouts Age: 42 |
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| Greystar wrote: |
I had my HP tuners about a month before I even plugged it into my Formula, and that was just to remove skip shift. Then when I got my headers a few months after that, I took it to the track and went form a 13.1 @ 109 at the beginning of the night to a 12.7 @ 113 by the end of the night.
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| studderin Total posts: 6272
John Csotello1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: 2nd gear burnouts Age: 42 |
| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Greystar wrote: |
I had my HP tuners about a month before I even plugged it into my Formula, and that was just to remove skip shift. Then when I got my headers a few months after that, I took it to the track and went form a 13.1 @ 109 at the beginning of the night to a 12.7 @ 113 by the end of the night.
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thats not fast at all? |
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