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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:28 pm    Post subject: Knock Knock...Whose there??? Reply with quote

my car with upwards of 9* of knock at WOT Crying or Very sad

anyone have idea the best way to kill some of this knock. if i can figure a way to get the files off the a-tap i can post them (any ideas how?). Scott and i were seeing quick blips of knock only at WOT runs on the highway.

mods:

DHP
3.4
Wizair Intake
RT DP
2* colder plugs
180* t-stat
1.9 rockers

any idea of what could cause this explosion of knock on my car?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it bliped and went to down after a sec sec of WOT somthing is hitting somthing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9 is pretty high with those mods. Sometimes when there is a problem with the car the PCM retards timing using KR and it can be 9-12 degrees. Could be false knock or something else wrong with the car. If it's real knock, the KR should decrease if you run 100 octane.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

we never saw the same knock at the same speed/time each run, they were always at diff mph and diff *'s. ill get the scans up on here tomorrow
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was steady between 2-5* at WOT, and his DHP seems to be shifting really low around 5400-5500?

The 9.9* KR was at a VERY odd 1475rpm in 2nd gear...but it was just a 2 frame blip, so who knows.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotty Mac wrote:


The 9.9* KR was at a VERY odd 1475rpm in 2nd gear...but it was just a 2 frame blip, so who knows.



Sounds like a error.
I've been waiting for a train.....car idling fine looks at the KR grafe for no reason lines at 0... then for 1 frame... like 5+ (off the Y axis I only need to see under 1-2* nayways Cool ) then right back to a steaddy 0 KR

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not like the normal

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LOL you get the idea.

No KR recovery time or naything. so it wasn't a PCM singal. reg dhp recovery is like 1 sec for 2*'s or somthing so 9* will take like 5 secs witch is a long time.. FYI watch for that. But I think it's false and somthing hitting. you told me IM is was on every down shift...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Knock Knock...Whose there??? Reply with quote

oh shit I have too

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so johnny what are u thinking it was then?? do u think it might be my dhp??
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DP hitting.......... I'd start with
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do i post the spreed sheet file??
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

junior1683 wrote:
how do i post the spreed sheet file??


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

damn, that would be sweet...

untill then how else can i post it?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is my scan

http://www.rit.edu/~eta9065/jason_dhp_run.csv

can anyone help? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your O2 values are low (865-880) so you are probably running lean, causing knock. Before you go WOT, your PCM thinks you are running rich (negative LTFT) so that's not helping you. I think you need to tune to fix this (PCM or mini-AFC). Also, if you have 70-80k miles on your front O2 sensor, you might want to replace it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

larry, thanks for the reply! what do u think i should get done to my pcm?? i dont know the slightest thing about tuneing. im gonna get a few goodies in the next month or 2 and then see where i sit. i know scott said my car was shifting very low, i e-mailed dhp and they had no idea what i was talking about.

how hard is it to use a AFC??

any other suggestions?
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