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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: LQ4 tuning... Reply with quote

When i put my LQ4 maf on along w/ my TB, should i drive nicely for 50 miles to let the PCM relearn everything or should i start tuning right away w/ my afc? (installed w/ battery unplugged for reset, also no powertuner for LQ4 MAF tables)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short answer, yes, let the computer learn for a little bit and then start making adjustments.

However, if you want to make some educated adjustments before hand, it might save you a reset/learn/tune cycle. By that I mean making slight adjustments blending higher MAF frequency settings into the lower frequency settings..since 0....11500Hz on your stock MAF is now scaled down to 0....{some number < 11500Hz}. So your current settings will be compressed/shifted toward 0Hz to work with the new MAF.

Oh yeah..disclaimer:
<---never used an AFC Wink
...so maybe it's easier to just run it for a while first...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

should i revert the afc back to 100% or should i keep my current tune in there? (4-7@97 8@102 9-11@103)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why are you running that maf? you don't need it , its stupid
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, do elaborate, John.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i opened up a stage 1 TB fully and sealed the stock MAF hole so now it's a straight through shot. This MAF is the same Diameter as the Fully opened TB so it's a perfect combination flow wise. The stock MAF sensor only reads what flows through it which remains the same size no matter how large the TB is, therefore making it inaccurate.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the maf only reads the speed of the air as it whips by the sensor. Now yes, it's calibrated for a certain size opening..but you can open up the TB and scale the MAF (my not too much) to make it 'accurate' or you can fart around trying to scale the LQ4 MAF (which will be much more difficult) as well, and get hopefully similar results....

Either way you do it, you're not going to be close to maxing out a stock MAF...low 12 second blow thru setups is where stock maf maxes out...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible answers:
1) Here's my log showing me getting close to the peak of the stock MAF sensor (11500Hz).
2) It seemed like a good idea at the time.
3) Everyone else was doing it.
4) Scott Cook said I needed to.
5) I had money to burn.
6) I wanted to learn something.
7) A bag of walnuts.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, do what you want....

Just stating why it doesn't need to be done
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DO NOT trust the stock computer to relearn properly for a different MAF. You will regret it. Tune the thing properly and you'll get better results all around.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanna sell it then? Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greystar wrote:
DO NOT trust the stock computer to relearn properly for a different MAF. You will regret it. Tune the thing properly and you'll get better results all around.


He has an AFC 2.0--did you miss that, or are you saying it won't be sufficient? Question or did I miss something...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redross17 wrote:
He has an AFC 2.0--did you miss that, or are you saying it won't be sufficient? Question or did I miss something...


No, I didn't miss it. It will "work", but it's not the proper way to do things.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, you guys got me wondering... dmc is getting a northstar with LQ4 maf and wants me to load some tables for him. which is better, the table on zzp's site or this one on 3800pro???

http://www.3800pro.com/forum/pcms-tuning/3272-maf-table-repository.html
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