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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:27 pm Post subject: WTB: Starter solenoid |
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I don't suppose anyone happens to have an extra working one in the Buffalo area that I might be able to acquire this weekend? _________________ 2018 Acadia
Retired: 2014 ATS, 2004 GTP |
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mguzzo Total posts: 2863
Michael Guzzo1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Location: in front of you Age: 58 |
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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will one from my '98 work? _________________ 1998 Silvermist GTP Coupe
Bone stock unicorn
1998 True Green Metallic GTP Coupe
Pullied, cammed, intercooled. With a kiddie seat. It once ran a 13 flat.
1998 True Green Metallic GTP Sedan (retired)
Stock: 14.33 @ 96.5
PB: 13.89 @ 101 mph |
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like it.
I'll buy it off you and trade you picking me up and dropping me off for help with your hood swap. |
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mguzzo Total posts: 2863
Michael Guzzo1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Location: in front of you Age: 58 |
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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so this isn't good. i took the starter over to Brian, he swapped it in and the engine still doesn't turn over. The starter pinion gear got hung up on the flex plate.
tomorrow he's going to pull the starter and all the plugs and turn the engine by hand. i wonder if there's a bad tooth or something on the flex plate. |
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Larry Total posts: 2201 Larry H.2001 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Age: 47 |
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: |
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If the starter isn't turning, could it be an electrical problem? All grounds reconnected including the ones on the bell housing bolt? |
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's turning because the solenoid never fully engages and completes the circuit to the starter (corrections welcome though).
I turned the motor over (it moved freely with both belts on) and the flexplate appears to be in good shape--no missing teeth, and no cracks that I can see.
The bell housing wires were never touched, and they are secure.
Guzzo found something in the manual about putting shims on the starter mounts to move it away from the motor slightly. I'm going to try that to see if it allows the gears to mesh completely. ...granted if that works, it begs the question, what changed to knock it out of alignment?... |
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GTP98 Total posts: 1787 Jay1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Location: b-loooooow Age: 44 |
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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You can get the starter tested at any auto parts store. I don't see how a starter just decides to get out of alignment. Either its not working properly or you have a electrical issue. _________________ '08 TrailBlazer SS Black/Black |
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redross17 Total posts: 3600 Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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I would also think that it would be pretty unlikely that the starter and flexplate gears would get out of alignment, but that seems to be the case here, at least so far.
I put my starter back in, but shimmed it away from the block with some aluminum can pieces (sanded down), and it has better than a 90% start rate so far. Only two of the first three tries failed. The first cleared lock-up itself with the second key turn, and the second jam I resolved by turning the flexplate a little. Has started fine since. Granted I haven't driven anywhere yet, so who knows if that will continue. I'm probably going to space it out a little more (currently 4x depth of an aluminum can wall) before I get adventurous. lol |
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BronzGT2000 Total posts: 292
Brian2000 Grand Prix GT Joined: 24 Jan 2006 Location: Liverpool, NY Age: 38 |
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:39 am Post subject: |
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just replace the starter, this happens all the time. I had to do my starter on both my Black and Bronze GPs. The solonoid could still be good but the bendix on the starter itself likes to not fully engage causing it to not catch properly, just turn your key on and off rapidly and it should catch. _________________
2000 GP GT (Bronze) - L67 swapped)-It's Far From Over! |
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