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Gary2001 Regal GS Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Age: 54 |
 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 8:18 am Post subject: Free CASE learns for all club members |
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Anyone who needs a CASE learn, PM me and we will meet up and get it done for you. I am at the track most Fridays, and some Wednesdays. The whole process takes roughly 30 seconds to complete.
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Larry H.2001 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Rochester, NY Age: 47 |
| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the offer Gary, I'm glad someone in the club can do them. I might need one in a few weeks and it's a huge pain in the ass trying to get one done.
Larry |
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Gary2001 Regal GS Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Age: 54 |
| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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The cheapest price I coulf find before I bought the tuner was $90 between Niagara Falls and Lockport. Now they are FREE!!! (well I may make you bring me a beer!  ) |
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| studderin Total posts: 6272
John Csotello1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: 2nd gear burnouts Age: 42 |
| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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I need one Gary, I'll buy you some food.
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| junior1683 Total posts: 1315
1999 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Location: Baldwinsville NY Age: 41 |
| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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i need 1 too, i might hit u up when im at johnny's for my PEM install in a month or so
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Jay1998 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Location: b-loooooow Age: 44 |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: |
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tup to gary. good guy for doing this.
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Rich Boddy1997 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Rochester NY Age: 42 |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| Hmm I might take you up on that sometime. My car just turned 114k, would it be a good idea to do it? Or is it something thats not needed unless youve done certain things? |
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Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:14 am Post subject: |
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The crankshaft position system variation values are stored in the PCM non-volatile memory after the crankshaft position system variationlearn procedure has been performed. DTC 1336 set indicates that the crankshaft position system variation values have not been stored in the PCM and the crankshaft position system variationlearn procedure must be performed. The learn procedure is required after the following service procedures have been performed, regardless of whether or not DTC P1336 is set:
PCM replacement
Engine replacement
Crankshaft replacement
Crankshaft balancer replacement
Crankshaft position sensor replacement
Any engine repair(s) which disturbs the crankshaft/harmonic balancer to crankshaft position sensor relationship.
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Gary2001 Regal GS Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Age: 54 |
| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| redross17 wrote: | | Quote: |
The crankshaft position system variation values are stored in the PCM non-volatile memory after the crankshaft position system variationlearn procedure has been performed. DTC 1336 set indicates that the crankshaft position system variation values have not been stored in the PCM and the crankshaft position system variationlearn procedure must be performed. The learn procedure is required after the following service procedures have been performed, regardless of whether or not DTC P1336 is set:
PCM replacement
Engine replacement
Crankshaft replacement
Crankshaft balancer replacement
Crankshaft position sensor replacement
Any engine repair(s) which disturbs the crankshaft/harmonic balancer to crankshaft position sensor relationship.
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Dave P.2004 Regal GS Joined: 23 Nov 2003 Location: Omaha, NE (was Rome, NY long ago) Age: 41 |
| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:06 am Post subject: |
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Wow, props for this. I definitely need one already, and after I freshen up my tattered bottom end, it'll be a big necessity.
I should've seen this before my trip home for the Summer Picnic. Hopefully I get to meet up with you folks soon, and see you at the track before years end.
- Dave
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| junior1683 Total posts: 1315
1999 Grand Prix GTP Joined: 21 Nov 2003 Location: Baldwinsville NY Age: 41 |
| Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| gary r u goin to mod day?? |
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| 2fast4U Total posts: 1113
Gary2001 Regal GS Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Age: 54 |
| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Update - 10/29/2005
Well, it seems that DHP has yet again thrown a kink into things. The HP Tuners software can do a case lean on all standard bins, Intense bins, and a selected number of DHP bins.
It seems that hey finally figured out how to block HP Tuners from dong a CASE learn on their PCM's by encoding and setting the OS ID to "0". The software has to be able to get an OS id in order to do the case learn, for obvious reasons.
These guys for whatever reason do not even want HP Tuners to be able to HELP people by saving them a $90 dealer charge for a simple CASE learn. Bad enough the lock all of their files, lock down their forums to only purchasers, and then now they disable CASE learns for everyone.
Think twice before getting anything DHP....they seem to be ALL about getting your cash, and screwing HP Tuners.
The offer still stands for free CASE learns, but just be warned that if you have a DHP PCM, I may not be able to help you out...  |
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| redross17 Total posts: 3600
Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
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I thought I read that it's a long abandoned practice. DHP very heavily relies on the OS IDs now. That's in part what helps the Powrtuner load scan options so quickly. Clearly those PCMs are still around though...
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DHP 1.0 PCMs based on 98GTP code had the OS ID set to 0, which isn't (obviously) a valid ID.
--Paraphrasing a post by Charles Beyer on DHP's forums.
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Gary2001 Regal GS Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Niagara Falls, NY Age: 54 |
| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| redross17 wrote: | | I thought I read that it's a long abandoned practice. DHP very heavily relies on the OS IDs now. That's in part what helps the Powrtuner load scan options so quickly. Clearly those PCMs are still around though... |
Naw....Encryption is done by key to key. It is all done in ms. This is nothing more than "protecting" their code and screwing other companies. HP Tuners has had the case learn feature for a long time, and DHP hasn't. They hate to lose a sale because of it, and locked it out to screw them. Business 101....Has nothing to do with fast loading times. |
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| redross17 Total posts: 3600
Brian Ross2004 Grand Prix GTP CompG Joined: 11 Dec 2003 Location: Buffalo Age: 48 |
| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Ironic that HPTuners moved to a proprietary format for saving their PCM files in v2, eh? 
Let's see if you can do a CASE Learn on my DHP-based PCM tomorrow.
I think the problem HPT and others have reading DHP 1.0 PCMs is that the OS ID is set to 0, AND there is some encrypted data. Even the Powrtuner had a bug reading those PCMs at one point.  If it was the OS ID alone, I'd think people could get around it. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the semantics of your post though...it's way past time to get to sleep.
..And actually, the OS ID has everything to do with fast PID load times for the Powrtuner scanner.
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